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Subtitles on DVB broadcasts in MediaPortal
on 09-09-2007

As some of you might know, most digital European television broadcasts use the Digital Video Broadcast standard (DVB), this includes cable TV (DVB-C), satellite TV (DVB-S) and terrestrial TV (DVB-T).

In the good old days of analog broadcasts, subtitles (in those countries where they are used) where transmitted as part of the video image (and hence there was of course no way to turn them off, or allow multiple languages). Such subtitles are called ‘embedded’ or ‘burned-in’ subtitles.

DVB offers 3 additional ways to provide subtitles to the viewer:

The first is bitmap subtitles. In this case a separate image is transmitted for each subtitle language, allowing the viewer to select which (if any) subtitles to overlay on the video image.

The second is teletext subtitles (these are also sometimes available on analogue broadcasts). In this case some teletext pages are marked as containing subtitles, containing the subtitle text to be rendered.

The third is code-based subtitles, which are text subtitles similar to the teletext subtitles, but without the dependence on the old teletext standard.

Bitmap subtitles are not supported by all old set-top boxes, and therefore it is mostly used on broadcasts where people are buying new boxes anyway (High definition channels and DVB-T).

For most other channels either teletext subtitles or embedded subtitles are used. We are not aware of code-based subtitles being in use.

MediaPortal currently has some limited support for teletext subtitles by way of using the Teletext module found in MyTV and no support for bitmap subtitles (embedded subtitles are of course supported as they don’t actually need any support :)

However, thanks to tourettes we are now on our way to having a DVB subtitle DirectShow filter, which when it is finished will support both bitmap subtitles and teletext subtitles. We aim to create it in such a way that the user won’t have to worry about the difference between the two types of subtitles, and it will additionally automatically select the correct subtitle stream based on language preference. Subtitles will be available for both live and recorded TV. The recording format must be Transport Stream in order to preserve subtitles in recordings and timeshift buffer. As you might have guessed the filter is therefore only available with TVE3.

You can track the current status of the work-in-progress as well as find information on how to help test the filter in this thread :

The developers involved on this are tourettes who have been doing most of the work, and me (Ziphnor) working on the teletext part (and a bit on the rendering part).


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Posted by kkendall, on 10-09-2007, , Guest
1. Shouldn't all developers focus on bugfix
My opinion is that all developers now should have to be working on removing all bugs at this stage of release candidates... As you are a small team of developers, everyone who chooses to develop new features, is a big loss in testing/bugfixing capability...
 
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Posted by Bulan, on 10-09-2007, , Registered
2. Great functionality!
This functionality is really needed for me if I should be able to run MediaPortal om my primary TV-set due to the WAF-factor.. :)
 
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Posted by ziphnor, on 10-09-2007, , Registered
3. Response to #1
I understand your view, but without subtitles MediaPortal is close to useless in combination with DVB cards here in Denmark. Its not some obscure feature we are talking about. 
 
Furthermore, these changes relate to the new TV engine, would you have all of us stop working on the new TV engine until 0.2.3.0 is released?
 
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Posted by kkendall, on 12-09-2007, , Guest
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Furthermore, these changes relate to the new TV engine, would you have all of us stop working on the new TV engine until 0.2.3.0 is released? Well...yeah... :) only if you have the knowledge and knowhow to fix bugs I think you should focus on the release candidate for the moment. Especially since you're a small team. Once there is a stable version of MP released, all attention can be shifted back to TVengine. :) First finish one reliable, stable thing, after that, something else. And besides, here in Holland subtitles aren't that important. Most of the broadcasts are in Dutch or English or have good subtitles in bitmap subtitles or code-based subtitles probeably (I don''t know what we have) in the DVB-C stream.
 
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Posted by cul8er, on 13-09-2007, , Registered
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This is a silly discussion. The developers of MP is a small team but they do all this huge work on their free time. And offer all this to us for free. We should all support the team. How many developers do you think would be left if all they did was focusing on bug fixes?
 
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Posted by kkendall, on 13-09-2007, , Guest
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Oh I think the MP team is the best, I love what they have done! And I thank them almost everyday ( well...in my mind I do :) ) for bringing MP to us. So please don't get me wrong that I don't fully support what you guys are doing, because I do. I was just suggesting a little change of focus, thats all :)
 
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Posted by ziphnor, on 14-09-2007, , Registered
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#4: 
 
If you have bitmap subtitles, then you cant see them currently, so you should be interested in this feature, but maybe you mean embedded subtitles? 
 
Personally i dont need subtitles that badly for english broadcasts, but lots of people do.
 
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Posted by Edna, on 15-09-2007, , Registered
8. subtitels are a must have feature
Since I switched to dvb-t tuners I lost all subtitles, getting them back are crucial for the WAF! 
 
Thank you for the effort I have been following the subtitle treads on the forum and know how much time and work has gone into this already!
 
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Posted by infinityloop, on 16-09-2007, , Registered
9. dont discuss here
comments are not meant to be used for dicussions. use the forum if you want to talk about something.
 
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Posted by crazypotato, on 30-09-2007, , Registered
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How about CC1 subtitle in North America?
 
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Posted by Hyperman, on 07-10-2007, , Guest
11. Thumbs up to the developers
I think it is outstanding that devolopers work in their spare time to please others with these outstanding features...good work guys and thumbs up from me :)
 
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Posted by Sir.Skull, on 09-11-2007, , Guest
12. Com on
we will love to see it finnish, great waf factor
 
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